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Comment from: Andy Wasley [Visitor]
Ha! Glad that BDA clip came in handy. Excellent blog post, Shane.
19/07/10 @ 12:56
Comment from: James Graham [Visitor] · http://theliberati.net/quaequamblog
"Yes, when it comes to accounting for the expense of those posters every other campaign uses the same trick"

I've ran two general election campaigns and several local elections and byelections and I've never used that "trick" in my life. Yes, I've apportioned out posters that weren't used and allocated generic posters to different campaigns. But I've never allocated "Fred Bloggs" posters to a campaign that wasn't for the election of Fred Bloggs, or even the proportion of the poster that doesn't mention Fred Bloggs.

On what basis do you make this claim?
19/07/10 @ 13:29
Comment from: trevors den [Visitor]
trouble is that although he is an MP he is not a politician.

he is though very 'green' and what channel 4 news cannot stand is someone who is green and a tory as well.
19/07/10 @ 13:43
Comment from: Peter Botting [Visitor] · http://www.peterbotting.co.uk
Peter Ward is truly brilliant! What's with the hands? Thanks for that Shane! WIill be adding him to my DVD of the Good, the Bad and the Ugly!!
19/07/10 @ 13:44
Comment from: Tory Bear [Visitor] · http://www.torybear.com
LA LA LA LA LA LA
19/07/10 @ 13:56
Comment from: blackwatertown [Visitor] Email · http://www.blackwatertown.wordpress.com
Not the finest hour for either of them, though I found my sympathy unexpectedly leaning towards Zac. You're right though, he should have wrapped it up sooner.
The BDA's Peter Ward however, was just shocking.
19/07/10 @ 13:58
Comment from: Hugh Janus [Visitor]
I am normally an admirer of Jon Snow, but in this case he completely lost control of the interview through a mixture of inept questioning and bad temper. This was an abject lesson in how not to do it.
19/07/10 @ 14:10
Comment from: Victor Southern [Visitor]
I am afraid that Zac Goldsmith has shown himself to neither a good politician nor very bright.
19/07/10 @ 14:31
Comment from: Werewolf1 [Visitor]
Errr, so how come I, and many others, thought Zac absolutely creamed Snow in that interview PRECISELY because he stuck to his first point so doggedly and refused to be pushed around? It was different, it was bold, and he got to call Snow a charlatan live on air and had him stumbling around and muttering stuff about OFCOM.

I thought Zac did well - and if the investigation clears him, then he'll have Snow bang-to-rights. Now THAT will be interesting TV.
19/07/10 @ 14:31
Comment from: Chris Gaynor [Visitor] Email · http://ww.plenty2say.com
Actually, I think this was Zac Goldsmith's moment of glory against Jon Snow..Snow could have easily answered his question directly about C4's integrity with their request to arrange an interview, but for at least six or seven minutes it's wasted....

This should have lasted no more than five minutes...but for the stubbornness of both Snow and Goldsmith. In my opinion, it was not a great day for TV journalism....
19/07/10 @ 14:50
Comment from: adrian drummond [Visitor]
Absolute rubbish.

Having spent half my life working in television news it was refreshing to see someone take on Ch4 news. I always think J Snow is a bit fast and loose with the truth and was good to see him put on the spot.

Most people who are up to speed on the issue of election expenses (and there aren't many of them) know that all parties do this. Channel 4 just wanted to make an example of Zac Goldsmith for tribal reasons.

Zac goldsmith absolutely floored J Snow. Good at last to see someone not being intimidated by an interviewer.
19/07/10 @ 15:10
Comment from: Shane Greer [Visitor] · http://www.totalpolitics.com
Hi James,

Perhaps my use of 'every other campaign' was a little too broad! :)

But in my experience this is a trick that is used often. And to be honest, from a political point of view it's entirely understandable. The votes won by council candidates tends to go up when a by-election or general election falls on the same day (due to BE/GE voters voting down ticket), and to the extent that that's true, it's fair to say that the campaign material used by the parliamentary candidate goes some way toward supporting the local candidates. However, that's not an argument I would recommend making on TV!
19/07/10 @ 15:21
Comment from: Jack Frost [Visitor]
"He should have made his points"...but.. "should not have spent any more than a minute doing this".
I expect Goldsmith agrees with you. However, he was prevented from doing just that by Snow and it was the ensuing argument that delayed matters.
Personally, I thought Snow came out of it worse.
19/07/10 @ 15:23
Comment from: FX Man [Visitor] · http://fxbites.blogspot.com/
Mr Goldsmith may well have spent less time on C4's behaviour as you suggest but Snow would not let him make his points, kept interrupting and talking over him.

Snow was not properly briefed and dug himself as big a hole as Goldsmith. How much does C4 pay him for such mindless incompetence?

Jacketgate, eh? Can't wait for the outcome... [snooze]
19/07/10 @ 15:28
Comment from: Anon [Visitor]
What about his body language? He waved his hands around too much and what's with the hands together in prayer bit? Non authoritative, an anxious pleading gesture. Mind you, Snow had to take a drink obviosly rattled.
19/07/10 @ 15:43
Comment from: james lawrence [Visitor]
Must admit I took the opposite few. I thought Zac truly destabilised Snow during the interview.

That said not too sure anyone outside the Westminster village would be that interested.
19/07/10 @ 16:56
Comment from: Ian_R47 [Visitor]
I had not bothered with this until I saw it here - but I have to say I thought Jon Snow was a disgrace. Talk about making the facts fit the story you want to tell!

Yes Goldsmith could have presented it better, but I thought he got his point across as well as he was ever going to be allowed to by the bullying Snow.

Jon Snow - you looked desperate and you have damaged your integrity.
19/07/10 @ 18:29
Comment from: Tapestry [Visitor] · http://www.the-tap.blogspot.com
BUllshit. Zac did a good job of reflecting back at Snow the rudeness he was projecting, but doing it politely and intelligently.

Zac has risen in everyone's estimation apart from that of media professionals who don't want their sandcastles knocked down.
19/07/10 @ 18:59
Comment from: Chris Paul [Visitor] Email · http://chrispaul-labouroflove.blogger.com
Other PPCs who use name and photo posters or indeed just name and pass these off as generic are ALL wrong, they don't make Zac right. Though I don't think there are many as even try.

He could claim they are fit for two or more elections involving himself - if he can count them all back in - but that would not give quite the scope he needed.

What on earth was the basis of the arithmetic on either the posters or the jackets? Have 200 jackets been collected in and the stickers removed from them ready for the next campaign? If yes, let's see them then.Ditto posters.

Did he apply any arithmetic like this to leaflets too and if so did they feature all the LG candidates pro rata?

What on earth was the basis of the 62% unused leaflets claim - not very green is it?! and hardly credible - how did the agent and candidate predict they could spend 250%+ on this as more than half would not be used.

Were there really leaflets in this campaign that were superceded for content? Didn't see any Tory leaflets round here that couldn't have been printed months before the election. Lots of ours were like that and that's how they were cheap. Not rush jobs which *always* command a premium.

And what about other issues that C4 won't have even found. Let's say leaflets, letters and stationery that are entirely missed, 'phone costs, paid delivery companies, correct postage, paid party workers, timber and nails and so on and so forth.

Zac was awful in this interview, yes.

Snow sometimes struggles and he wasn't at his tip top best, yes. But he was faced with lunacy to be fair.

Many PPCs - often 2 or 3 of the candidates in a constituency - will sail close to the wind or indeed significantly overspend, yes.

But Zac appears to be out in la la land and could well be found to be in a serious and exceptional breach of the rules on this one.

He will not be able to show all that many MPs were elected on this scale of gaming the rules.

Lots of reform of this regime is needed. Even a simple requirement to attach a sample of every piece of print to the relevant receipted invoice would be a big step forward.

The whole thing is a cheat's charter and it is desperately unfair on those who actually do it right, or thereabouts, that some candidates take the Mick.
19/07/10 @ 19:10
Comment from: ed [Visitor]
Someone who has never been in the cauldron to the extent that Zac was would have to be wary criticising him. I thought he was actually quite brilliant. I thought- court of law wise- he was watertight. Should he have been nicer to Snow? No, I think that would be feeding a notorious lefty troll by massaging his grotesque ego. Zac showed guts, cool logic and - best of all- dramatic timing. In fact it was great telly and if that is repeated the journos will start to behave and the standard of tv will improve.
19/07/10 @ 19:54
Comment from: philip walling [Visitor]
Your criticism of Goldsmith is unfair. He tried to make his point early on but Snow wouldn't let him speak; he interrupted constantly.
It's unbelievably hard to get the better of a television interviewer on his own ground. I would have thought Goldsmith should have seized the initiative and asked Snow if he really wanted to hear his answers or was he there just to shout him down.
I would also have been tempted to stop talking if Snow wouldn't shut up during my answer and say to the camera 'he clearly doesn't want to hear the truth'.
It's important to remember the viewers are your audience and try to get them on your side against the interviewer. Goldsmith deferred too much to Snow and forgot who he was really talking to.
19/07/10 @ 20:14
Comment from: Lucky Jim [Visitor]
Sometimes you can look good simply by making the interviewer look like a d**k.

Goldsmith made Jon Snow look like a d**k and just about managed to get his points across, despite constant badgering and interrupting from Snow. For me the very fact he wasn't polished, argued as himself, rather than a party hack in a suit, was a positive not a negative.

I don't like politicians, I live in Richmond Park and voted for Susan Kramer, and I disagree with most of Goldsmith's political views. Yet by the end of the interview he had my full sympathy. So in my experience, he gave an excellent lesson in "TV technique".
19/07/10 @ 20:25
Comment from: oliver king [Visitor]
'assuming he's right' about c4n's failure to have a live interview with him on Thursday. Thats the problem...its a big assumption. His office asked for an interview with our political correspondent cathy newman at 1730.. Anthony Barnett replied that wasnt acceptable - especially as she knew nothing of the allegations. C4 asked him again at 1800 for a live interview and was told by someone working for him that he was too far away. The next thing we knew is he was live on sky news x millbank. He choose to spend 6 minutes of the interview on this diversion - rather than answer the questions of substance.
Oliver King
programme editor
channel 4 news
19/07/10 @ 20:30
Comment from: paul isaacs [Visitor]
Don't worry about Zac. Peter Ward is still top dog at the BDA. After all we do live in a meritocracy.
19/07/10 @ 21:55
Comment from: adrian drummond [Visitor]
To: Oliver King

Your programme - and in particular, John Snow - would have had more credibility if you had not specifically targeted Zac Goldsmith. You know - or you ought to know - that almost all MPs try to get around the limits on their election expenses. In short, you should have looked at a spectrum of MPs from all parties and not just Goldsmith (who I suspect is not someone that J Snow cares too much for).

Re your listing of what Ch4 said with respect to a live interview...sorry but i believe Z Goldsmith's account of who said what.
19/07/10 @ 22:20
Comment from: Visitor [Visitor]
If you want to see a politician having a bad day at the mediA - a must see for media training:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfmLvacQ0sQ
19/07/10 @ 23:30
Comment from: 1971Thistle [Visitor]
Two bald men fighting over a comb...

Neither emerged with much dignity, and the sums involved, in reality, made it look like a bit of a C4 News vendetta (thus speaks a working class Scot who would never vote for Goldsmith in a lifetime, even if I lived and votes in UK)
20/07/10 @ 08:02
Comment from: Tweety pie [Visitor]
Jon Snow has just disgraced himself both by his attitude and the quality of his journalism.

Zac was 100% truthful and Snow's questions reveal he doesn't know much about how political campaigning really is done.

Well done Zac, and yes, it is time for new journalism. I'm fed up of what they pretend to call journalism at the moment. The quality sucks.
20/07/10 @ 10:06
Comment from: gil [Visitor]
I'm a Tory voter and from where I'm sat the evidence in this case make Goldsmith look very crooked. And the public will look at it and think it stinks too, even if it is within the rules. If it looks like crookery, if it sounds like crookery, if it smells like crookery...

He did not do himself any favours by getting angry about some potential libel either. Indeed this just made him look like the litigious type, which is not a pretty look. Snow did seem rattled but rather, I suspect, because he was being bellowed at on TV.
20/07/10 @ 13:20
Comment from: David B. Wildgoose [Visitor]
Well I'm NOT a Tory (and in fact was a candidate for the English Democrats Party) and I thought that Snow was a complete disgrace and that Zac Goldsmith was excellent and should be congratulated for standing his ground and demanding an apology for the lies broadcast about him the previous night.
20/07/10 @ 23:07
Comment from: Duncan [Visitor]

Weak brain, weak points, weak performance.

There'll be more of these to come from him.

A true Tory Prescott.
21/07/10 @ 08:05
Comment from: Charlie Burgess [Visitor]
Goldsmith won
22/07/10 @ 16:21
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27/08/10 @ 23:51
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