“Yes to AV” campaigners truly expected their self-appointed position of Defenders of Democracy and Doers of All Things Good to be unchallenged during this campaign. After all, opponents of change are, by definition, Enemies of Progress (and I don’t mean that they’re members of Compass). They would surely have the decency to admit to their self-interest and cynicism, even to their dishonesty, as they campaigned to retain the evil, decaying First Past The Post system?
Surely?
Laurence Durnan used his recent blog to castigate the “No” campaign for being beastly to him and his compatriots in the “Yes” campaign. How dare they raise the prospect that local councils might spend large wads of cash on counting machines if the next election is conducted under the Alternative Vote! Laurence swiftly and efficiently demolished the “No” campaign’s tactic by presenting clear evidence that no machines would be bought… Oh, hang on – I’ve just looked at his piece again. He didn’t. He said “there is no evidence for this”. Well, that’s knocked the “No” campaign for six, then, hasn’t it? I mean, absence of evidence is the same as evidence of absence, yes?
Laurence’s sphincter-contracting outrage at the temerity of the “No” campaign’s allegations would have a little more credibility if the “Yes” campaign had been even a little bit honest in the past few weeks. Yet the spin and deceit continues to be spewed out with the predictability of Lib Dem Focus leaflets containing bar charts “proving” that “Only we can win here!” What, I wonder, did Laurence think of Clegg’s speech in which he claimed that sticking with FPTP would mean that MPs could continue to claim for duck houses? It was an obvious and provable lie, and yet the “Yes” campaign offered no comment.
What about the “Yes” campaign’s claim that AV will abolish safe seats? Or make MPs in marginal seats – already the hardest working people in the Commons – work even harder than they do already? The first claim is demonstrably and mathematically false, the second so absurd I can’t imagine any adult with his faculties intact even trying to justify it.
The claim that AV makes sure every MP wins at least 50 per cent of the electorate’s support is again easily disproved with a modest portion of logic and mathematics. And to suggest that by encouraging everyone to vote for their second, third and fourth favourite parties – in other words, to ask voters to consider who they would like to win if their own first preference does not – is the end of tactical voting rather than an exponential increase in it, is stretching the laws of logic beyond parody.
At one point, Laurence’s outrage at anyone casting aspersions on his campaign’s credentials for sainthood get him reaching for the smelling salts: “While courting their votes, No to AV simultaneously insult the British public by claiming the system is too complicated for them to understand.”
This is a call to the political classes to stick their heads in the sand.
An encounter during last year’s general election campaign returns frequently to my mind. A young woman, perhaps in her late-to-mid-twenties, told me she had never voted before, but wanted to do so this time. The problem was that she was genuinely worried about “making a fool of myself” in front of polling station staff, since she didn’t know how to vote.
The “Yes to AV” campaign dismiss such anecdotes. How could anyone possibly feel intimidated about the voting process? Even to recall my doorstep conversation from exactly a year ago is to invite accusations of “patronising” from the “Yes” campaign. But the fact remains that AV, however straightforward it may seem to those already politically engaged, presents just enough of an incremental increase in complexity to guarantee that that young woman would never even consider attending her polling station.
It is not a lie to point out that AV is more complicated than FPTP; it is an inescapable fact.
This referendum and its subject could not be more about “old politics” if it had been designed by Professor Oldie McOld of the Old Political Institute for Old Politics. The Yes campaign should have realised before now that its attempts to try to spin this “miserable little compromise” (for want of a less polite, more accurate description) as somehow “new” or “progressive” were going to be challenged, and robustly.
Tom Harris is the Labour MP for Glasgow South













Comments
Jerry Hayes / April 08 2011 11:31am
Mmmm Tom, I think you need some downers after that delightfully floridly psychotic piece. The truth is that the No campaign has used some pretty below the belt campaigning. I'm sure in your heart of hearts you would would accept that the poster campaign was just negative and based on the false premise that the whole thing would cost us £250m. Laurence rightly says that there is no evidence for this. In other words it's not true.
The trouble is that FPTP is not about fairness, but supporting vested interests like big business, right wing window lickers and the trade unions. Strange how that little lot are against AV.
Now, if you think that it's fair that 100 seats and 150,000 voters decide who runs the country then that's your right. And If you think it's good government for any party with a large majority to ram through any old nonsense; well, oh dear. However, I am worried about your constituent who finds it difficult to manage to put a cross in a box. I wonder whether she should be allowed out alone.
Graham / April 08 2011 12:32pm
Increasingly convinced that I'll vote 'no' on this despite starting from a 'yes probably' position. At a time when we are desperate for more people to engage in politics then I just think the added complication will be a huge turn-off.
If Jerry's dismissive last couple of sentences are typical of those pro the change then that's even more reason to resist.
ps First Tom then Jerry - perhaps I should have signed myself Dangermouse!
Adam Gray / April 08 2011 12:52pm
Oh dear, Jerry, what a risible response.
Why would Tom "accept that the poster campaign was based on the false premise that the whole thing would cost us £250m" when that's not a false premise at all?
The referendum alone wills cost us - the taxpayers 99% of whom did not want it - £100m. Nick Clegg's admitted as much. We're 40% of the way to £250m straight away. Counting machines are used for SV elections in the UK; a simpler system. It is hardly unfounded to believe a more complex system to count would therefore also need such machines. ERS Services Ltd, the bankrollers of #yes2av (and provider of counting machines, coincidentally) have been exposed as salivating over the prospect of benefiting financially from the introduction of this system.
Nopw that's evidence - some circumstantial, yes - but evidence. Offset against it is your pitiful "trust us cos we say it isn't so". This from the people who told students to trust their votes to a party that said no to tuition fees (and for info, #yes2av is staffed principally by Lib Dems). No thanks. I don't trust you - and as you keep telling us that trust in politics has been destroyed by an electoral system, reap what you sow.
And no, saying there is no evidence for the claim (despite the fact there's plenty) is not the same as saying it's untrue. That is, frankly, a really dumb thing to say.
AV is also supported by vested interests: for example the one and ONLY party that benefits consistently from AV (aka the Lib Dems). It's funded, as already mentioned, by a company that expects to profit from the introduction of the system. It's backed by an arrogant, out of touch, metropolitan "we know what's best for the little people" liberal elite that will waste £100m on a referendum on voting systems but not one that actually matters to people - like Europe, capital punishment, or votes for prisoners. And are you blind to the hilarious irony of clumping trade unions and big business in the same sentence when talking about (utterly opposed) interest groups?
You're not even right in this silly and tired assertion that only a few votes decide elections. You don't seem to be able to grasp the concept that a losing vote is not the same thing as a wasted vote. Every vote counts in every UK election. It may not win - but it counts. Nor can you explain how AV will change so-called "wasted votes" in safe seats - seats where the MP wins by more than 50% - which would stay safe under this corrupt and cynical AV.
Virtually no one in yes2av supports AV: the overwhelming majority of you want a proper PR system. That's why you were so derogatory about AV before, all of a sudden, it became the life-or-death measure of whether Britain is a democracy or a banana republic. That's why we in no2av mock you tirelessly: because you're dishonest, your hypocritical and you're misguided. What an attractive combination.
Jerry Hayes / April 08 2011 1:39pm
Blimey Adam, calm down dear it's only a voting system!
Tom Harris / April 08 2011 2:05pm
Jerry Hayes said: "I am worried about your constituent who finds it difficult to manage to put a cross in a box. I wonder whether she should be allowed out alone."
That is probably one of the most patronising, insulting and dismissive things I have ever heard, even from the "Yes" camp. With such disdain for voters, I'm not surprised you're campaigning for a Yes vote.
Carl Gardner / April 08 2011 3:14pm
About a year ago I thought AV sounded an interesting, modest reform. I thought it might inject a bit more proportionality into the system and a bit more voter choice, without the danger of permanent coalition politics (the problematic nature of which we're only now beginning to see) that inevitably comes with PR.
But as with fixed-term parliaments, which also looked okay at first blush, when I began to look in more detail I realised AV has major flaws too that outweigh its supposed benefits.
What's given me serious pause is the realisation that AV has some odd, unpredictable results: which of the final two candidates wins can depend simply on which of the less popular candidates happens to go out first. Once you consider that people's 4th v 5th choice (as between, say, UKIP and the Greens or an independent) may be one they've hardly thought about, you begin to suspect, as I do, that AV has a dangerously random aspect to it.
It's also illogical: why shouldn't the second choices of the "last two" candidates matter in determining in what order the others go out?
Add to that the realisation that it turns out not to be true that AV means MPs will have to get 50% of the vote, and the case for AV I think dissolves.
I'm not sure I've completely made my mind up yet - I'm getting there, but at this stage I think I'm still just about open to persuasion. But everything I've heard so far makes me think FPTP is not only simpler but sounder than AV, and I'm not sure it's any less fair either.
Carl Gardner / April 08 2011 3:29pm
Actually, thinking back over what I've written, perhaps I've been unfair to AV: perhaps the problem isn't at the 4th/5th choice stage, but at the 2nd/3rd choice stage. I'll need to think about that and do some research.
But even assuming the flaw is limited to that one stage only (is it?) it's a serious flaw.
Carl Gardner / April 08 2011 3:43pm
Actually, thinking back over what I've written, perhaps I've been unfair to AV: perhaps the problem isn't at the 4th/5th choice stage, but at the 2nd/3rd choice stage. I'll need to think about that and do some research.
But even assuming the flaw is limited to that one stage only (is it?) it's a serious flaw.
Carl Gardner / April 08 2011 3:44pm
Actually, thinking back over what I've written, perhaps I've been unfair to AV: perhaps the problem isn't at the 4th/5th choice stage, but at the 2nd/3rd choice stage. I'll need to think about that and do some research.
But even assuming the flaw is limited to that one stage only (is it?) it's a serious flaw.
J Skye / April 08 2011 4:01pm
Speaking as a former electoral services officer, we have counted multiple elections at once (district&parish, county&euro), with multiple candidates at once (multi-member wards), multiple times (the joys of recounts!), without ever once resorting to machine counting. We've got a parish election this year with over 30 candidates for just 15 seats!
What's so difficult about AV compared to that? You count the votes once for first preferences and batch them up in 25s, just like at any other election. Then each time a candidate gets eliminated you just recount their pile to see to whom their #2s have gone. It's hardly rocket science!
Eamon / April 08 2011 8:45pm
Tom, the Yes Campaign did not claim that AV would make MP's in marginal seats work harder, they said it would make MP's work harder. How will it do this? By doubling the number of marginal seats and decreasing the number of safe seats, this straight away changes the relationship between the MP and their constituent. I voted Labour at the last election, knowing then, as I know now, that AV is not a 'miserable compromise' but a significant improvement on a broken and corrupt voting system.
I'm, also sorry to hear about your constituent being confused about voting (and Jerry Hayes is wrong to be so patronising) but with the appropriate amount of education she could vote just as easily under AV as FPTP. It really is as simple as 1, 2 and 3.
The MP Expenses Crisis has seriously dented the public's confidence in the political process. I have never known a time when the public dislikes and distrusts politicians more than they do at the moment.
To be fair Matthew Elliott, head of No 2 AV, has one idea to address the concerns of the public with an out of touch political class, which is Open Primaries. The problem with Open Primaries is they are very expensive as the Tories found out in Totnes prior to the last election, where they selected their candidate via an Open Primary and it cost in excess of £40,000. If we mulitiply that by three and four per constituency and mulitiply that by the number of constituencies (and add the cost of a Referendum) we see how expensive and impractical this is. That's Matthew Elliott's answer to the crisis of political legitimacy, what is your's?
Paul McKeown / April 10 2011 1:22am
"were going to be challenged, and robustly"
or failing that an attempt would be made to throw sand in the public's face.
Sadly with considerable chance of success, and no doubt, the troughers will gleefully lick their trotters, pander to a few vested interest and not care where they defecate having partaken joyously of their parliamentary bounty.
This vote is about who controls MPs; it is hardly a surprise that quite a large majority of MPs prefer the looser fetters of the status quo and oppose it. It is disappointing though.
Mike Wagstaff / April 10 2011 4:54pm
If they can't understand AV how can a voter make up his/her mind about more complex issues raised during an election? Tom Harris says it is "patronising, insulting and dismissive " to point this out. Surely it is a sad reflection of a failed education system.
Grumpy Old Man / April 11 2011 6:07am
Tom Harris continues to be a sane voice in the madhouse that is the ScottishLabout Party. I've always thought that Mr Harris' talents have been wasted, (and waste is what Labour do best) aand this piece confirms that he is a clear-sighted politician in a party of the wilfully blind.
Alex / April 11 2011 6:45pm
So Jerry Hayes puts his point accross, then when someone offers a decent and eloquent rebuttal, the only response he can come up with is "Blimey Adam, calm down dear it's only a voting system!"
Talk about muddying the waters when you can't respond.